Netherlands lost...

Hey,

/gives a shoulder to cry on.

But serious now, should that goal even count? THIS is the main reason why I want referee's to have more up-to-date technology than only their eyes.

gg Spain.

Did you see the replay in slow motion? Before Febregas passed the ball Inesta was offside/hors-jeu, but when the ball quited Febregas's feet Inesta came a bit back to prevent the offside. The goal is legit, the referee in this match made good decisions. To me , NLs should have played with 10 players only ,because Van Bommel deserved a red, but luckily for him, the referee has some sort of clemence, ofc it's a final.

Anyway, i'm happy that Spain won because of all the people that doesn't know sh*t about football that said Germany or Brazil would win this world cup after seeing a the good matches.

Spain plays very well, and in every match settle their playstyle, even if they are losing. It's well deserved, and it's not for nothing that they started as the favorites of this world cup. It's just like Barcelona.

Puyol ,Xavi and Inesta are the best players of this world cup, and maybe Thomas Muller techincally speaking.

GG to both of them, i thank God that it didn't end with Penalties....

SO MANY YELLOW CARDS LOL!

agree with ando, no offside, saw replays..
but NL should already been with 9 players after like 20 mins
VBommel and Dejong both deserved red card
Spain won just like the octopus predicted =D
and iniesta is just best player in the world atm.

All sucks. Cristiano ronaldo best gg all

Fail all

IF IT WAS A FREAKING CORNOR THEY DIDNT MAKE THE GOAL IN THE ATTACK ANYWAY, it was so obvious that it should have been a cornor after sneijders free kick. Blind referee

And everytime they pulled at robben the referee did nothing.

Pulp Fiction wrote:Fail all

IF IT WAS A FREAKING CORNOR THEY DIDNT MAKE THE GOAL IN THE ATTACK ANYWAY, it was so obvious that it should have been a cornor after sneijders free kick. Blind referee

That is true, probably was his only obvious mistake. But if we talk about that, there should have also been 2 penalties for Spain that the referee didn't count coz of the pressure or a final match.

Like in B.Munich Roben is always looking for the fault, but he did some simulations that the referee saw that's why he didn't use his wistle and asked him to get up. Every referee knows roben very well, it's kinda like C.Ronaldo, if he knows he can't get the ball cause he pushed it too far, he's gonna try to make it look like a fault, hence why i'm voting for the video assistance to the referees.

the goal was legit...
too bad though...

it was a very exciting match.. i was in amsterdam watching it on a big screen with 120 000 other people
was awsome...

but holland also missed like 2 big chances.. both with robben...

the 1 where he shot at the keepers foot.. and the other one he just should have fallen down... then the guy would have gotten red, and he would have gotten a penalty out of it...

well.. lost 100 euro on that match,.. but still the world cup was good money...

and second of the world is also good...

Second is nothing. It's like losing tdm's in GunZ and say: Hey, atleast I got second. Yea that doens't work out for me. Ive no problems with the fact that spain won, they did play better. But did they deserve to win like this? No, they did not.

thats total bullshit..you cant compare gunz to football...

gunz is dead... football isnt..

and the world cup is about the BEST OF THE WORLD!!!...

second best of the world is something to be proud about..

Hmm, we have a totally different opinion when it's about the world cup.

What do you mean by did they deserve to win like this?

They started favorites of this worldcup. It's the only team that doesn't have to change their playstyle to win. How many teams have you seen keeping the ball for more than a minute that it makes the other teams doing faults to get the ball back, it's a copy/past of Barcelone coz ofc it's always Inesta and Xavi that makes the game in the middle. I've seen Spain more than 70 minutes in NL's half field, they totally controled the game, that makes the other teams to addopt a counter attack playstyle. Best actions were Robben 1v1 against the keeper, that's a recuperation of the ball in the middle field , they didn't do any action that was well built unlike Spain did in every single match. That's their biggest strength, and everyone that plays them knows that there is only one solution : TAKE MURINHO as a coach then play like Inter Milan did. That's all you can, or if you are lucky when Puyol and Pique makes mistakes, play like Switzerland did. I havn't seen a single team making placed attack action against them, coz they are very solid in defence, the best in the world in middle, and the only one that was playing well forward AKA Villa.

Every world cup there will be some little drama about "did they deserve to win". Like when Argentina with Maradona's hand goal called "The Hand of God". It's just how football is, for my part i think that the referee in that match was pretty biased and he is known for not liking Spanish.

They deserved because none of the others teams were better and they proved it, too mad Germany didn't have Muller, i think i would have been a more balanced match, coz the Germans only defended and waited for a counter. Just like any other teams that played against Spain.

If there is a team that doesn't deserve , it's Uruguay, compared to how Spain won, it's definitely not the same.

Because the goal came from an attack that should be a cornor. Yes they played better but they didn't score allot either. And in the end soccer is all about making goals. If they already made 2 goals before this happened it wouldn't matter. But come on... in the last 3 minutes? After 30 minutes extra time? In a attack that should not have been there?
Netherlands so close to the penaltys, wich theyre waiting for because they have one of the better penaltys scorer team at the moment (And they deserved it because they defended well against Spain, on their half field) and this blind referee makes a mistake like this? come on....

For what I've heard, and I might be wrong, in allot of interviews people say that the referee was in Spains advantage, wrong referee at the wrong match and so on. (not to mention the annoying players from spain that kept begging to give NL cards)

And about the ''started favorites'' this has nothing to do with being a champ at the cup. Because Netherlands will never start favorite like allot of other countrys. For the Netherlands this was a once in a life time moment, I would like to see Spain against Brasil and have this luck. The Netherlands had some luck to get in the finals. And they still had luck with defending against Spain. Luck was on the dutch side (in the defence not in the attack ofcourse) but some bad referee just grabbed the luck and twisted it. This was once and no more for NL. They won't have some of these wins again. NL is a small country and can't choose between thousand of good players like for example brasil can. (However NL is doing pretty good in general for such a small country) This was one of the best generations for NL. Allot of top players in 1 team at a nice age (with not enough experience as 1(as for example Spain, cause more then half theyre team is FC B))

And Ive to disagree on Uruguay, for a team with allot of ''who is that'' players they did a great job.

But as I said against Ouchiieee, to discuss about this is pointless. We all have different opinions and ofcourse the country where people are from matters in this case.

It is how it is and we can't change anything anyway ( EVEN IF WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING ANDO)

Wait, so all i hear and understand is that , NLs had everything agaisnt them in that match? ARE U SERIOUS? U guys should have played 10 or 9 v 11 before the half, and trust me you guys wouldn't have any single chance to win after that, the referee had clemency to not kick Van Bommel out and also De Jong and the referee's mistake wouldn't have changed anything to the match if what SHOULD HAVE happened actually happened, which means 2 reds, 4 yellows that were well deserved 0-0 starting the second half, 9v11 for 45+15+15 minutes.
Here is for DeJong that should have been out just with that fault :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCCXfdxOT_Q

Here is the video of the goal.After the goal kick you guys got the ball back to built an action, after Elia lost the ball, it was well built and well deserved , Inesta's placement to not be offside is just beautifull, and the timing of the pass with Inesta's back step, just exceptional, that's how technical they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv0ZX7wgbrA&feature=related

We can talk with a lot of "If" like "If the referee gave the corner" or w/e , that action is still well built and well deserved.



I still can go looking for Robben's simulation all over football fans forum, you will just laugh, how stupid he is thinking that it won't be recorded.

And in the end soccer is all about making goals

You should watch every single match of the champions league and every major tournys in every country, it's not just about making goals. You saw how Inter Milan played very well techinaly against Barcelona? They only score 1 goal, then defenced until the match ended, which couldn't have done NLs against Spain.

But come on... in the last 3 minutes? After 30 minutes extra time? In a attack that should not have been there?

I recall Manchester Vs Bayern Munich champions league final. Manchester is losing 0-1, then scored 2 goals thanks to Beckham's corner in less than 3 minutes, lemme find a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSt08-Qy50

Here, that's the beauty of football, how you can turn a match at your advantage. And it is deserved, they struggled hard to win it.

(not to mention the annoying players from spain that kept begging to give NL cards)

That's football and it was well deserved, NLs played agressively all the match long.

And about the ''started favorites'' this has nothing to do with being a champ at the cup.

I was talking about Spain, they aren't the present EUROPEANS champions for nothing, and they proved it this worldcup, being in 2 years, EUROPEANS CHAMPIONS AND WORLD CHAMPIONS.

This was one of the best generations for NL

The holland that Overmars and Patrick Kluivert had was better, less individuality, more teamplay. Overmars was the best on the right side of his time playing football. I'm an Overmars's fan >.< .

And Ive to disagree on Uruguay, for a team with allot of ''who is that'' players they did a great job.

What? Forlan (Atletico Madrid) , Suarez (Ajax Amsterdam) , Cavani that i think plays in Italia if i'm right(huh... Juventus or Palerme) ,Alvaro Pereira (FC Porto) , Maximiliano Pereira (Benfica) , Ignacio Gonzalez(FC Valencia),
Martin Caceres(Juventus),Diego Perez (AS Monaco) , and i think i forgot one or 2, but these aren't just nobodies, they had a good team, just like Mexico had.

Well, winning against Ghana was just the lamest "great job" ever, that actually wasn't deserved at all. U seen Ghana dominating all the match, and pushed it 'till the 120th minute, then one stupid player tried to play the goal keeper. That was just Anti football, and Fifa got their mailbox fulled with insultes from all the Football fans lovers(which includes me because i love football). What he did was just Anti-Sport , Anti-football.

The only reason why i am defending Spain is because they are obviously better, and they deserved the most this worldcup. I excpected it like Spain/Brazil/Argentina/England, but i failed with the others ='(

Rin Saya wrote:The only reason why i am defending Spain is because they are obviously better, and they deserved the most this worldcup. I excpected it like Spain/Brazil/Argentina/England, but i failed with the others ='(

The team that deserved it the most was Germany obviously. They did way better then Spain in any match excluded the match vs Spain.

Rin Saya wrote:Wait, so all i hear and understand is that , NLs had everything agaisnt them in that match? ARE U SERIOUS?

You mis understood me in this.

Rin Saya wrote:

Here is the video of the goal.After the goal kick you guys got the ball back to built an action, after Elia lost the ball, it was well built and well deserved , Inesta's placement to not be offside is just beautifull, and the timing of the pass with Inesta's back step, just exceptional, that's how technical they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv0ZX7wgbrA&feature=related

Number 15 sandwiched Elia, he didnt even look at the ball. He came back for Elia right after Elia lost the ball.

Rin Saya wrote:

I still can go looking for Robben's simulation all over football fans forum, you will just laugh, how stupid he is thinking that it won't be recorded.

Have you even seen how some of the spanish people fell over their own feet? And claimed for cards?
And you can't call him stupid for that, ofcourse he knew it was recorded.

Technically the best match that Germans played was against England, it was the best match that showed real teamplay. I can't judge by their match against Aussies, because it's a team of nobodys besides Kewel. They dropped Argentina, but it was more of a tactical error from Maradona that left so many inter spaces between the defence and both sides.
Spain's gameplay/teamplay is way better than Germany, every pro analyst of football will tell you that they control the ball better in the middle which is the most important Area in football. If Germany was better , they would have found a way to break their playstyle, instead of that, they just defended all the match. That's just shows how much it's hard to play against Spain no matter which team you are. Murinho showed it well that there was only 1 way to win, and it's to defend very well and play 200% every counter.
In that match, Spain showed everyone they dominated the team, like they do in every match. There wasn't a single match of this worldcup where they got dominated. Switzerland won, but all the match, they also only defended, blant domination.

German didn't deserve more than Spain IMO, a good team can do everything, they didn't show it against Spain, Spain was better and confirmed it.

I wanted to see a Spain Vs Brazil, which would have been a very good match, monsters in both sides, but didn't happen.

Number 15 sandwiched Elia, he didnt even look at the ball. He came back for Elia right after Elia lost the ball

Doesn't matter if you sandwich someone if you play/touch the ball first, and Elia was going to lose the ball anyway, that was in no case a fault, check the replay please.

Have you even seen how some of the spanish people fell over their own feet? And claimed for cards?

Inesta did it i agree, that's why Robben got mad, but Robben is the one with Christiano Ronaldo that are the most known in the Champions league for doing simulations, even more than Italians. If i was the referee, i would have just let Netherlands play 9v11 all the match with 4 yellows(which probably means open spaces that leads to speed control then probably a fault of the defence, maybe 1 red again).

This world cup was doomed to fail as soon as England went out
PERIOD.
HAHAHAH
But srsly England didn't deserve to go through anyway, such a poor performance , if they played how they usually play they would rock , but noooooo, they bottle it under pressure I guess

well.. also...

i think the referee sided for spain...

first off all..

giving heitinga yellow card without even seeing what happened... he had his back to him..

and a little later.. someone from spain pushes van bommel after he wins a duel... ref doesnt see anything.. and nothing happens...

but what happened happened...Spain won, they were very good...
they played a better match then holland..

im setting my sights on euro 2012... GO HOLLAND!!

The goal was legit indeed.

But 2 seconds before the goal, it was off-side and the ref ignored that. if he didnt, spain wouldn't have score.
btw Iniesta is just a little fucker that screams when somebody touches him.

Van bommel didn't deserve red. and neither did heitinga. only de jong did.

And spain made nasty faults to.

But..

Spain was better. but the ref fucked up the dutch strategy of being agressive.

NETHERLANDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Virtoi wrote:The goal was legit indeed.

But 2 seconds before the goal, it was off-side and the ref ignored that. if he didnt, spain wouldn't have score.
btw Iniesta is just a little fucker that screams when somebody touches him.

Van bommel didn't deserve red. and neither did heitinga. only de jong did.

And spain made nasty faults to.

But..

Spain was better. but the ref fucked up the dutch strategy of being agressive.

NETHERLANDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should know that, Inesta was offside before the pass, when he passed it to Inesta he wasn't, rules in football has changed coz Blater thought that "back from offside" isn't an offside and it's out of the action it's to the defence to place themselves on the same line, nothing from the referee in the action was wrong.